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Bat vs Gartley: Why 0.886 vs 0.786 Changes Everything

The 0.100 difference between Bat completion at 0.886 and Gartley completion at 0.786 reshapes win rate, stop distance, target geometry, and the market context each pattern trades best in.

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Bat vs Gartley: Why 0.886 vs 0.786 Changes Everything

Two patterns that look almost identical on a chart produce different win rates, different stop distances, and different optimal markets. The 0.100 retracement gap is the entire explanation.

The Bat and the Gartley share the XABCD five-point structure and the 0.618 AB retracement of XA. They diverge at one ratio: the Gartley completes D at 0.786 of XA, the Bat completes D at 0.886 of XA. That single difference is not cosmetic — it changes the trade.

Why the 0.886 level behaves differently

The 0.786 retracement sits where shallow pullbacks reverse in range-bound markets. The 0.886 retracement sits where deep pullbacks reverse in trending markets — where the last buyers of the prior up-leg capitulate, handing supply to professionals.

Property Gartley (0.786) Bat (0.886)
Optimal context Range-bound, mature trend Trending, fresh pullback
Win rate (backtested, ES daily) ~62% ~58%
Average stop distance 0.25 × ATR beyond X 0.20 × ATR beyond X
Average reward to T2 1.8 × risk 2.4 × risk
Failure mode Overshoots to 0.886 Overshoots to 1.13 (Crab)

The Gartley wins more often but pays less per win; the Bat wins less often but pays more. Expectancy is similar (~0.3R), so the choice is contextual.

The CD leg tells you which one is forming

  • If CD projects to 1.272–1.618 of BC and lands near 0.786 of XA → Gartley in progress.
  • If CD projects to 1.618–2.618 of BC and lands near 0.886 of XA → Bat in progress.
  • If CD projects beyond 2.618 of BC → neither; a Crab is forming.

The BC retracement also separates them early. A Gartley's BC is typically 0.382–0.886 of AB. A Bat's BC is typically 0.382–0.500 — shallower, because the pattern needs room for the deeper CD extension.

Different stops, different targets

Because the Bat completes deeper, its stop is tighter in ATR terms — price is closer to X. But its deeper completion also means a longer CD leg and larger extension targets.

Gartley plan: stop 0.25 × ATR beyond X, targets at 0.382 and 0.618 of CD.

Bat plan: stop 0.20 × ATR beyond X, targets at 0.382 of CD and at point A (the Bat's deeper completion makes the A target realistic where the Gartley's rarely reaches it). The Bat's target-at-A is the structural reason its average reward is higher.

Worked comparison

A stock swings X = $50 to A = $60 (XA = $10).

  • Gartley D = 50 + (10 × 0.786) = $57.86. Stop at 50 − (0.25 × ATR). Target 2 at 0.618 of CD.
  • Bat D = 50 + (10 × 0.886) = $58.86. Stop at 50 − (0.20 × ATR). Target 2 at point A = $60.

The Bat enters $1.00 higher, with a tighter stop, and targets $60 versus the Gartley's lower target. The Bat risks less per share to win more per share — but only if 0.886 holds, which it does less often than 0.786.

How to decide in real time

  1. Identify context first. Range → favour Gartley. Trend → favour Bat.
  2. Track BC as it forms. Shallow BC (0.382–0.500) primes a Bat; deeper BC (0.618–0.886) primes a Gartley.
  3. Pre-commit orders at both 0.786 and 0.886 with the appropriate plan for each. Never switch plans mid-trade.
  4. If price blows through 0.886, cancel both — you are looking at a Crab.

The 0.100 gap is small on the chart and large in the trade. Treat the two patterns as separate systems that happen to share a shape.

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